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Anonymous ## Mod 06/23/22(Thu)15:36:09 No.2400529

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>>2727761
Anything potent enough to permanently keep ticks away is probably so toxic it would never get past any kind of approval for human use.

You do the normal thing: long socks, tuck pants into socks, spray the shit out of your shoes and pants with a DEET spray just before setting off. You can even spray your shirt and tuck your shirt into your pants to force the tick to climb even higher. One thing which might work is to stick a ribbon of double-sided tape around your thighs over the pants, that way any tick which makes it that far up might get stuck. I've never tried this personally, but I imagine if you find the right kind of tape it could work quite well.

>>2727761
have you ever heard about winter/fall/spring?

>>2727766
>have you heard about seasons?

what?

The ticks are active spring/summer/autumn, when i go out in the woods with my dogs they always end up with a few on them.

>>2727764
I've seen they make these odd looking gaiters that are a loose weave material chemically treated that essentially traps the ticks within the weave and then the permethrin is supposed to kill them

>>2727390
These categories aren't great and won't really inform further decisions, especially since 1, 3 and 4 are basically the same thing (all are one man tents with a tarp over them) and 2 is completely unrelated. I think it'd be better to break it down into components.
>Ground sheet
Keeps water from soaking through your things from below and can act as a sacrificial layer for abrasion and tears. Not strictly necessary if you have something waterproof below you already.
>Emergency shelter
This is the bivvy bag. Waterproof lower, sort of breathable upper. You can stuff your bag in this, crawl into it and basically make it through some adverse weather if you can't set up anything else. Combined with a tarp it makes for a decent splash guard, but on its own it isn't a real shelter unless you would like to spend all night sitting upright or marinating in your own juices.
>Net tent with bathtub floor
This keeps insects out and prevents water from flowing through your sleeping position.
>Tarp, shaped tarp or rainfly that goes over your sleep setup
This is what actually protects you from weather and provides stable shelter, it can be combined with any of the prior items.

After boiling that all down we can see that despite 1 and 4 being essentially the same thing (a net tent with a tarp on top), they're both different paradigms, with 1 representing something that can be arranged nearly any way you want with a lot of modularity and 4 representing a prepackaged solution that doesn't require you to learn a fuckload of knots and tarp pitching techniques.
Once you have made that choice, everything else is optimizing for weight, cost, ease-of-setup, your ability to mess with your gear post-setup (space to take off your clothes or cook something) and expected conditions.

tl;dr; 1-2 man tent is probably best for a beginner, with a bivvy bag to round out the capabilities of the sleep setup.

>>2727615
Just use a rain poncho that can be used as a tarp. Wont add any extra weight.

>>2727615
Bivy sack/bivy tent is ideal for military use, especially where the only sleep shelter they issue to you is a tarp (Australia).
Quick to setup (if you don't need/want to set up a tarp, windproof, waterproof and most of all, low profile so no one can complain.

I've seen the US issue one man tents now, which is perfect for added comfort and quality of life. The "ultra-low profile bivy on the ground" is really not necessary for non-special forces units.

>>2727390
1. Bug bivy. Good option. Cheap. Tarps don’t have much protection from splashes or wind driven rain. Tricky setup, comparatively. Most ventilation.

2. Just a bivy; “bivy sack” is redundant. Least versatile. It has a single use; lying down for rain and wind protection. You’ll have to eat in the rain. Really only used by larpers and serious mountaineers. Whatever humidity is trapped inside with you will absolutely condense when the temperature drops.

3. Not a bivy. That’s a tent. The entrance is on the front rather than the side. This style of tent has fallen out of favor due to less vestibule space, tricky entrance, and less ventilation. They can be lighter though, which is why ultralight brands like Tarptent make them.

4. Most popular for a reason. Not as much ventilation as the tarp, but much easier to set up with more wind and rain protection. Better ventilation than a bivy or a front entry tent, with way more usability than a bivy.


I wouldn’t consider a bivy to be an option. You will absolutely have nights, evenings, and mornings with rain. With any kind of tent or tarp, you can eat, check maps, take care of your feet, organize your pack, masturbate, read, or whatever. In a bivy you can just lie down and wait.

There’s nothing more cozy than chilling out in a tent, eating or reading in the vestibule, wrapped in a quilt, with rain pattering against your tarp. Hammocks win that one, but a bivy isn’t even in the contest.

>>2727165
Let me guess, it weighs approximately 5x more than your average civvie bag?

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>>2721211
anwsers,,,ineed,,,anwsers!,
>>2719909
righthere!

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>>2724555
okyouright,,,idont realy wanto hearthereply.,
,,,wasexpecting more ofighthough.,
,,,,,,just slinking away,,,itsnot,the way of paid shills,,guesshes doinit for Free?,
,,ithink were settled onthe science<
,,>TREES,,,Love,co2.

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>>2724555
I am currently peaking after reading so my question is, how could I realistically, or even theoretically increase CO2 in a grow tent? NO I DO NOT GROW WEED actually I just imported a Euphorbia Labatii 'red leaf's form. pls respond

During the industrial revolution it was noted that tree were growing way more than normal

>>2727555
Plant marigolds and other puffy flowers. They love to pull them apart so they should leave your peas alone.

>>2727627
what are you going to grow there? or just clearing around the trees to make it more open? Even a nice grass there will look nice and tidy and let the trees be the focal point.

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>>2727630
Just going to be grass for now, need somewhere to play fetch, plus grapes would be bad for my dog.

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>>2727753
I'm putting down 150lbs of metro mix seed for the majority of the lawn, then about 25 lbs of Kentucky 31 tall fescue along the edge of the road to match what's there, and I've got about 10lbs of fine fescue mix for around the compost pile where it's all shade. In the fall I'm going to overseed with pure Kentucky bluegrass, because it takes too long to germinate to plant in the spring.

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>>2727755
yeah i think it will look nice there. id say dont get rid of the rest of the trees. provide a nice shade area. should look nice when all settled in by next year.

>>2727584
not at all, if i'm eating a raw oyster i caught or ordered from a restaurant i can be rest assured that what i'm eating hasn't been tampered with in any way. i also wouldn't drink out of a river without filtering it first. you don't know who put those shrooms in the geocache or what they could be laced with. surprised you haven't lost your mind yet from ingesting untested substances off the street

Today I've finished cleaning, oiling and fixing up my bike and went out to find a new geocache someone made recently in my area. It was a really fun trip and I've touched some grass :) I just wish deet would actually work for scaring off mosquitoes.

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>noo, you can't look for cashes you didn't find yet!
>this basic function costs extra!
Ugh. geocaching.com is such a corporate, commercialized trash. Thank God there are geocaching apps that let me do that without relying on their site.

>>2724450
Wonder if those areas are more violent or of the nig problem is uniquely American

>>2724238
I find it boring and constantly underwhelming. I've never encountered a truly challenging cache that is off-trail and hard to reach, nor a cache that actually had anything interesting in it.
Like a cache with a copy of the Protocols or Industrial Society. That would be quite funny.
Then again, there just aren't as many caches here as in the US.

>>2724311
>niggers
Anon, niggers don't hike and they definitely don't hunt for geocaches in the wild. That's like the least niggerish activity imaginable.

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>>2727727
it is here, but thats not lower 48

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>>2727729
and here, dont mind my camping and fishing hotspots...
so where exactly is the taiga/tundra you claim?

>>2726418
>I heard eurofaggots
I stopped reading there. My country is larger and more diverse than 25 of their rainy cold shithole countries put together.

>>2727732
This is the thing I don't get about Murica. You can go to the suburbs of any mid sized town in Washington (state), Nevada, Florida and Illinois and it will all look exactly the same, despite being in completely different biomes

>>2727732
>my country is larger and more diverse than 25 of their rainy cold shithole countries put together.
>lives in NY
>claims superiority based on nature in alaska
>will never actually go there....

swamps seem miserable

Well, you have a dilemma there, rattle sneks or water moccasins. While each is highly venomous in its own amazing, lethal way, I give the nod to the water moccasin because it can also swim up to you and attack or drop out of the trees without notice and then murder you horrifically. Rattlers mostly leave you alone in the grasslands ... until they don't. Edge: swamps. Have fun out there anons and watch out for sneks, they're watching you.

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>>2727284
I love the prairie. Some see it has barren when in truth its full of life.

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Went hiking in the prairie earlier this week and saw a lot of cool flora and fauna you don't really see often in the area, like these dung beetles pushing bison shit.

>>2727563
That dung would make a great gift for your Indian friends.

Good luck anon, you'll have a great time here! American culture is different, but you're not going to get shot or any shit like that. Big things if you're serious about this:

>Pay up a bit of money and get a couchsurfing account
It's a website and app that get you in touch with people who WANT to give you a free place to sleep and show you around their city. We don't have hostels, and airbnbs are as a expensive as regular ass hotels now, you're saving money by spending on this. The whole system works off of reviews, which means the first one is the hardest. If you have the time or means I strongly recommend making your account now and getting a review before you leave home - either as a guest or a host. Have your parents help, or get a friend to make a free account and give a 5 star review after he "hosted" you, just so you can have a name telling other people that you're a normal, safe person

>Spend some money on a good backpack and sleeping bag. Figure out what you're going to bring and get used to carrying the weight
Tent is optional, I didn't have one and there were times I wished I did. Get a smaller backpack you can use when you have a safe place to stash your gear, but sometimes you'll need to carry all of it, all day, every step. Pack clothes that let you do different things: have something to wear at a bar on a Friday night, but also something to hike in, or catch a ride in

>Learn to hitchhike
This could be a whole thread, the most important thing is that it's ok to turn down a ride. Expect getting a ride to take an hour, you need to stay cheerful the whole time. It's not personal. Most cars will drive right past you, all you care about is the one that stops for you.

>Learn to dumpster dive
Americans love throwing out perfectly good food. Start off with bakeries, they'll help you get used to eating trash food. Go into pizza places at closing time and politely ask for some food they're going to throw out - it's only embarrassing the first time.

>>2727656
>Out of sight out of mind
This is your slogan for sleeping. There's lots of parks or even just random bits of foliage all over American towns, if it's dark and nobody sees you, you're free to sleep there. Find a place early and then come back to it at night, then wake up before dawn and get going somewhere; the time right before and after park hours are the most important. The underside of an underpass is loud, makes for bad sleeping. There is strength in numbers and local wisdom: if a bunch of homeless people are somewhere, it's an ok place to be. They also know if free food is going to be passed out somewhere.

>Misc:
Americans are used to buskers, that'll be a good way to make some money/friends. Just keep an eye out and scram if someone decides to be a cunt about you.
Go out West, I promise you're not going to get eaten by a bear. America is gorgeous and has an insane variety, you're doing yourself a disservice to not at least see the Grand Canyon. Read some Jack Kerouac and find out why he called Denver the Gateway to the West. No guarantee you'll find meaning East of the Mississippi.
If a fast food restaurant is open 24 hours, you can simply stay there all night. Workers don't get paid enough to give a shit, just buy another burger if need be. They all have free wifi and outlets to charge your phone.
You don't have a car, but: You can park in a walmart parking lot for 24 hours. BLM Land (Bureau of Land Management) is free to camp on.
You're solo traveling, that means you decide how long you stay in the same place. You're the master of your own fate. Embrace the adventure and err on the side of leaving people too quickly than outstaying your welcome - always leave on a good note if they're gonna review you.
And finally, have fun :) visit cool museums and art galleries, chat up the front desk worker and get in for free! Go to the amateur rodeo night! Chat up a cute stranger in a coffee shop! You'll never see her again, you can say whatever you want!

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>>2727671
man thank you so much for all the thoughtful advice. and yes I am deadly serious about this. I'll be flying out either this summer or next spring. I've made an account on that couch surfing app you recommended and have already bought/own the majority of the equipment I'll need. I'll screen cap all of the advice in this thread and post them when I do another update upon landing.

>>2727339
I plan to pack some means of self defense also, though I am reluctant to purchase an actual firearm due to the different states having different laws regarding them. Would an imitation or airsoft replica suffice? Barring that I'll likely grab some pepper spray or a large knife.

>>2727681
Sabre Red is the best pepper spray/cs gas gel you can buy. Works on people and dogs. You can't fly with it though, so you have to acquire it here and some states don't permit sales to the public (LEO only).

I'm a gun owner and believe you shouldn't even consider purchasing a firearm. If legal, how would you pass the internic test, you won't have legal residence. If illegal, it will catch up with you. If you produced a replica here in Chicago we would just shoot you dead without hesitation, collect our casings and move along. The clearance rate in many places is less than 15%. Don't even.

Just trust your gut instincts and avoid sketchy scenes. Unfort, I would not trust anybody entirely short term. Great folks here but all countries have their psychopaths and America is a huge place.

It should be exciting enough. Have the time of your life, kid. If there should be a snag and you need to return early, you were not defeated, you can come back again, legally or else across our open borders. Relax.

>>2726211
Sorta. You're way more likely to get fast access to an emergency room in the city than in the woods. Tourniquet areTime. about buying you time.

>>2726486
Where'd you get the bag? I've been looking for something similar to put my homemade kit in.

>>2726075
I'd add medical tape and get rid of the bandaids if you're already going to be carrying gauze.
Also some vinyl gloves are nice if you're administering first aid on someone else.

>>2727686
This but minus the part about getting rid of the bandaids. I wouldn't pack a shitload mind you, but having a dozen or so adds almost 0 bulk/weight and makes it so you don't have to immediately dip into your medical tape and gauze for small nicks and cuts. Hell, throw a few in some of your pockets and you'll be good for a while assuming you arent accident prone

>>2726994
>n Finland they sell a viper bite kit in the pharmacy ... Although nowadays they do not recommend it because some people have a false belief in the viper bite pills negating the effects of the viper venom.
I'd say the main reason they don't recommend it nowadays is because there's very little evidence that it helps at all.
Treating snake bites with corticosteroids is essentially a Scandinavian eccentricity (maybe Italian too) and it's not generally recommended elsewhere in the world. The snake bite toxidrome may have an inflammatory element but that is not what causes most of the actual harm. Morbidity associated with snake bites in Europe and the US is primarily a result of cytotoxins which directly attack cells and tissue around the site of the bite, and hemotoxins which fuck with blood clotting. Neither of these pathways will be significantly affected by hydrocortisone.

On the other hand, 3x50mg pills aren't going to take up much space in your pack so if you feel more comfortable carrying them then go right ahead.

>>2726914
>Anyone think this "first aid kit" stuff is retarded?
No. Not at all.
If you fuck up with your knife or a hatchet or if you just fall down a fucking cliff then it's entirely possible for you to bleed out well before anyone responds to your PLB. A tourniquet, gauze and a good bandage could very well keep you alive long enough for help to arrive. Similarly, being able to effectively splint a fracture might be the difference between making it to shelter or back to the trailhead vs freezing to death in the rain.
At the other end of the spectrum, carrying band-aids and gauze can let you treat minor cuts, burns and blisters well enough that you can continue hiking rather than calling your trip quits 3 days in because you slipped while filleting a fish. Anti-diarrhea meds and oral rehydration solution are the same, they're not going to save your life but they can save your enjoyment of the trip.

>>2726922
>You keep the tropen inside the def4.
Why in that configuration? The Tropen is the bigger of the two, and the Def 4 fits rather tight on it's own already.

>>2727738
The manifacturer recommends as such.
Defence 4 has a water repellent finish, less volume might be better in such cold.
>>2726623
If you're referring to Cartinthia tropen, that's not a bivy, it's a sleeping bag with a mosquito net.
A bivouac sack is weatherproof and uninsulated.
>>2726922
What are some good, sanely priced mats for extreme cold?

>>2726630
You don't carry a poncho?

>>2727738
Keeping the Tropen outside is like wearing your baselayer outside of your hardshell.
The Tropen is a warm weather bag. It's less concerned with keeping out drafts and allows water vapor to easily travel through it. Keeping it inside the bag allows the Tropen to more effectively add to the insulation of the Defense 4.
The Defense 4 should be sized to fit the Tropen inside of it, so if it's too tight, then you ordered too small of a size or you're trying to bring too much stuff into the bag with you.

>>2727740
You have a choice between eating in the rain and not eating in the rain, and anyone who’s done both knows what the right choice is.

And how would you get from your bivy into your poncho if it’s raining in the morning?

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>>2726567
Filtered by nature

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You need to wear this.

>>2726567
Every single representative climate type on earth besides fully tropical ones. And that's even with the state draining 90% of its swamps and wetlands in the last 130 years. Most of the west is the same, CA, OR, and WA all have temperate rainforest biomes btw (since some assume it's only in WA), while inland UT, ID, and MT and even AZ also have borderline temperate rainforest biomes but only going by local precipitation to evapotranspiration rather than total rainfall as those states top out at about 45-60 inches of annual average max rainfall in places and the usual defined limit is over 65 inches. Even though the actual forest in those other states looks the same as the rainforests in CA and OR and parts of WA, but often only seasonally so.

>>2726260
>plant divsersity
Yeah not only is the west more diverse in plant species, it's also richer and denser in animal species to. Lmao. The cognitive dissonance you eastoids have is amazing sometimes.

>>2713414
>live in VA
>Originally from OR/WA boarder
>spent the last 6 years trying to find any kind of /out/ activities whatsoever
>everything that comes close is a 5-6hr drive from me meaning that I can't really do it without having a dedicated weekend (which I don't get very often)
>just signed another 3 year contract to live here because the offer was too good to pass up
>now depressed because I have 3 more years of not going /out/ ahead of me

At least in 36 months things will be better

>>2726606
Amazon has notoriously bad value for tents. You're probably better off if you buy from a sports store, AliExpress or even reputable supermarket chain. If you do buy from Amazon, buy branded products (you'll pay a premium for Amazon shipping) and pray you don't get a fake one.
It's not "cheap" per se, but the naturehike cloud up 2 is decently cheap for the performance, best bought on AliExpress or their website. You can go much cheaper though, especially if you are car camping. Good for you for trying to do something with your dad anon.
Maybe list what you want to use it for (car camping/backpacking, seasons, price expectations, pack size, features etc).

>>2694340
Everything purchased from Amazon is the fake version

>>2703003
You’re mentally fucking retarded all the losses accrued from idiots like you stealing are passed on to the customers via higher prices

>>2726698
thanks for your thoughtful response

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I am looking at a stainless steel water bottle + cup on aliexpress. Can i trust the Chinese to not use chemically contaminated metal on those bottles? Can i just clean it with soap and water before i use?

>>2727721
unfortunately I don't know enough about gear (other than knowing you should probably try to use the thinnest, least visible line that you can get away with lol) to offer any advice, sorry anon.
I'm sure you'll get an answer soon though, people in these threads are very helpful in my experience.

>>2727602
8 or 10 weight is referring to fly fishing line weights, so probably not what you're looking for since you mentioned spinning reels

>>2727717
unless you're targeting large river fish (e.g. catfish) with bait, I'd agree 30# braid is overkill. I like 10# braid since it's thinner and longer lasting than any other type of line at that strength so further casts, more line on spool, less re-spooling, few line twists/problems, etc but not overkill for most situations. Also if the visibility is a concern, just tie a leader.
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>>2727713
I'm not sure if you buy into this stuff at all (I'm not even sure I buy into it yet) but there's websites/apps that have the times when fish are most likely to bite based on lunar and solunar patterns. I know FishAngler has it (better free version of fish finder). But even ignoring that, I think there are just times when they're feeding on anything and everything and times when they want something specific, which sucks. For scouting a new spot, I'd maybe suggest live bait of some kind, like worms, since it's a universal, natural food for freshwater fish. If nothing bites a worm on a hook, in my opinion, that spot isn't worth much

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>>2727721
Baitcaster with braid simply isn't really the gear for trout. It is good for bass or bigger game fish that go after bigger/heavier lure. Trout fishing usually involves smaller/lighter lures or bait

Any tips on targeting carp in the backwaters of rivers? I'm thinking some bait (bread or power bait) on a small hook sitting on the bottom with my reel bail open. I can see the carp swimming around and I think eating (doing that thing with their mouth) but I've never caught one and don't know the simplest way to target them

>>2720492
based

>>2720492
>not considered worthy by a bunch of insufferable coastie fuckheads on a crowded social trail
>acting like that's a bad thing

>>2720451
You go hiking and talk to 5 - 10 people ffs what are you a Gemini or something?

>>2715987
oh come on. its kind of cute.

>>2716121
Kek